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Making sense of yourself and with others

This is Daniel's core concept. Leaders must make sense of themselves (reactions, biases, stress, resilience) and, at the same time, make sense with others (reading people, systems and changing conditions), with purpose at the centre. Daniel carries it in his own voice. Guests supply the inner-work and team angles.

How it developed: It began as four outer skills around purpose. Inner work arrived through guests (E07, E25) and became an explicit pair in E18. By E36 Daniel openly says the inner side was added after the research.

The thread's title and description are AI-written, drawn from the episodes below. The quotations are verbatim from the episode audio, each linked to the moment it was said.

What was said

“would be exploration and mapmaking, storytelling and narrative development, invitation and improvisation, and adaptation and collaboration.”
— Daniel Atlin, guest · Getting Messy with Daniel Atlin · [03:39]
“I, I believe strongly that the first responsibility of a leader is to heal themselves.”
— Benoit-Antoine Bacon, guest · Leading Through Healing | Dr. Benoit-Antoine Bacon · [18:05]
“Well, the easiest way of answering that is because no one else is responsible for that, right? It, it really is the person at the top who, is ultimately, responsible for helping the organization that they lead to understand what's happening around them”
— Meric Gertler, guest · Universities at the Boundary | Meric Gertler · [07:46]
“Leadership failure, I've come to believe, often begins when these two forms of sensemaking disconnect.”
— Daniel Atlin, host · Making Sense of Making Sense | Why the mess matters · [07:14]
“And for me, a, a big part of how you deal with that complex issue is not only how you learn yourself about it, But also how others are learning about it and comparing that, you know, the elements, with others. Some of that is around storytelling, some of it is around how people map out the problem.”
— Sir Anton Muscatelli, guest · Sir Anton Muscatelli on Leading Public Institutions Through Complexity, Slow Growth, and the AI Age · [25:28]
“when I started, on, on, on, on my research, and when I came up with my dissertation, that, actually making sense for yourself wasn't a big part of it. But I've continued in discussions with leaders since then,”
— Daniel Atlin, guest · Leading in Messy Situations | Ep. 98 | The Science of Leadership · [07:12]

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