Is the University Model Broken? | Tim Blackman
11 March 2026 · 51 min · as at 2026-03-11
Daniel Atlin (host) · Tim Blackman (guest)
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About the guest
Tim Blackman
former Vice-Chancellor and President · Open University
Former Vice-Chancellor and President of the Open University; previously vice chancellor at Middlesex University and pro vice chancellor at the OU. Wrote a paper for the Higher Education Policy Institute during a visiting fellowship at Oxford.
In Tim's own words:
“I finished my full-time career, as you've said in your introduction, as vice chancellor at the Open University, which is a great honor and privilege.”
“I moved to the OU from Middlesex University, where I was vice chancellor of that, North London-based, very sort of community-orientated university, a huge amount of diversity.”
“before I went to Middlesex, I was previously at the OU as a pro vice chancellor, one of the deputy vice chancellors. I'd worked in a number of different universities in the sector, some research-intensive, some more teaching, community-orientated.”
“I went through various head of department, dean, deputy, vice chancellor roles, and then ended up vice chancellor.”
“we got this gold award in the National Teaching Excellence Framework, which is a, a system in the UK that, that where universities are graded according to the quality of their teaching and student experience.”
Guest details come from the published episode notes or the guest's own words in the episode.
Episode analysis
Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.
Daniel Atlin talks with Tim Blackman, former vice chancellor of the Open University, about whether the dominant university model still fits modern life. Tim describes the OU's open-access, digital, four-nation model and the change programmes he led, including lessons from failures. He sets out his HEPI pamphlet's three arguments: higher education should orient around a sustainable economy, shift from front-loaded degrees to lifelong shorter courses (with directive government), and define a code for academic knowledge to counter disinformation. He links this to his stage four cancer diagnosis, concern for his grandchildren, a planned rewilding business, and advice for leaders of complex institutions.
Key ideas
- Tim argues the most important mission for higher education is its contribution to a sustainable economy, judged even by the carbon footprint of graduates. [22:30]▸ [23:10]▸ [23:10]▸ [23:33]▸
- Tim argues the sector produces too many people with the wrong qualification at the wrong point in life, and should shift to shorter courses across a working lifetime. [24:46]▸ [25:04]▸ [25:36]▸ [26:05]▸
- Tim contends universities will not reform themselves and that directive government policy is needed, since reform has been promised since the 1970s. [26:52]▸ [27:18]▸
- Tim says academia is currently just another knowledge bubble and needs a code committed to evidence, openness to criticism, clarity and precision. [30:27]▸ [30:49]▸ [31:57]▸
- Tim describes leadership as paradoxical: keep a whole-system view while being ready to drill into detail. [19:21]▸ [20:12]▸
- Tim says big change failed where benefits were unclear and a big bang approach was used; a modular approach and shared evidence worked better. [13:16]▸ [14:18]▸ [15:25]▸ [32:59]▸ [33:17]▸
- Tim says his cancer diagnosis sharpened his focus on legacy and what his grandchildren will inherit, including depleted nature and debt. [02:02]▸ [03:09]▸ [35:11]▸ [36:50]▸
Tim Blackman's three lessons for leading complex organisations
- Be thick-skinned, or have methods to deal with friction, such as regular me time and time for family, friends and nature.
- Stay focused on what you are really trying to achieve and avoid tangents.
- Work with your team and delegate, while still seeing the whole system and going into detail when needed.
As described in the episode: [45:11]▸ [46:01]▸ [46:33]▸
Lessons
- Tim's experience suggests being explicit about the benefits a change programme is meant to achieve, rather than assuming them. [13:16]▸ [14:18]▸
- Tim found that replacing a big bang IT approach with a modular one was necessary in a complex institution. [15:00]▸ [15:25]▸
- Tim says opening up the evidence base for change to challenge helped get acceptance, including from the union. [32:59]▸ [33:17]▸
- Tim advises leaders to keep perspective and step outside the tyranny of the moment. [47:56]▸ [47:57]▸
- Tim argues honesty about the cost of the carbon transition matters, as underestimating costs fuels backlash. [38:15]▸
Who it's for
University leaders, higher education policymakers and governors questioning the full-time degree model, leaders running large change programmes, and anyone interested in lifelong learning, sustainability in higher education, or how a serious illness can reshape a leader's priorities.
Facts stated in the episode
- Tim Blackman says he was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer in November 2024 and stepped down; he is now in remission. [02:16]▸
- Tim says the Open University has around two hundred thousand students across the UK. [07:43]▸
- The OU co-produces about thirty television and radio programmes a year with the BBC, according to Tim. [11:01]▸
- Tim says the OU transferred about 5,000 sessional tutors onto professional contracts. [13:50]▸
- Tim says the OU received a gold award in the Teaching Excellence Framework in 2023. [16:46]▸
- Tim was appointed at the OU in 2019, shortly before COVID struck. [17:23]▸
- Tim says policy papers have promised a lifelong learning shift in the UK since the 1970s. [26:52]▸
Questions this episode answers
- What makes the Open University different from other universities?Tim says it is open access and non-selective, operates and is regulated in all four UK nations, delivers mostly digitally, builds courses with large multidisciplinary teams, and co-produces about thirty programmes a year with the BBC. [08:15]▸ [08:56]▸ [10:16]▸ [11:01]▸
- Are there too many university graduates?Tim says yes in a headline sense, but his real point is that too many people get the wrong kind of qualification at the wrong point in their lives, and the first experience should be a shorter course followed by later study. [25:04]▸ [26:05]▸
- What should the purpose of higher education be?Tim argues its most important mission is contributing to a sustainable economy, environmentally and financially, including asking what the carbon footprint of graduates is. [22:30]▸ [23:10]▸ [23:33]▸
- Why hasn't lifelong learning reform happened?Tim says policy papers have promised it since the 1970s, but the honours degree model dominates and is good business, so he argues directive government is needed. [26:52]▸ [27:18]▸
- How can universities counter misinformation?Tim argues academia needs a code for academic knowledge, committed to respect for evidence, openness to criticism, clarity and precision, to show why it deserves special status. [30:49]▸ [31:57]▸
- What went wrong in the Open University's big change programmes?Tim says benefits were not clearly articulated, and the adopt-not-adapt big bang IT approach failed and had to become modular. [14:18]▸ [15:00]▸ [15:25]▸
- How did cancer change Tim Blackman's thinking?He says being a cancer patient brought into focus what mattered for his grandchildren and his legacy, and he wrote the HEPI pamphlet during radiotherapy in Oxford. [02:16]▸ [02:55]▸ [03:09]▸
- What advice does a former vice chancellor give new leaders of complex organisations?Tim advises being thick-skinned, staying focused, and working with the team while keeping a whole-system view and going into detail when needed. [44:57]▸ [45:11]▸ [46:33]▸
In their own words
Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.
Cancer diagnosis, stepping down and writing the pamphlet
Note (AI): Shows how Tim's stage four cancer diagnosis and time in Oxford shaped the perspective behind his HEPI pamphlet.
Tim Blackman, guest · [02:02]I finished my full-time career, as you've said in your introduction, as vice chancellor at the Open University, which is a great honor and privilege. I, I stepped down in, back in November twenty-four. I mean, it seems more recently than that, but, November twenty-four, I, I was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer, and, I stepped down because I needed to focus on my treatment. I'm in remission now. …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [02:02]I finished my full-time career, as you've said in your introduction, as vice chancellor at the Open University, which is a great honor and privilege. I, I stepped down in, back in November twenty-four. I mean, it seems more recently than that, but, November twenty-four, I, I was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer, and, I stepped down because I needed to focus on my treatment. I'm in remission now. That's good news, thanks to our National Health Service. But, that's a key moment for me for obvious reasons. I, I finished at the OU after just under six years. I probably would have liked to see a decade through, I think, ten years is a good, good period for a VC because the cycles are, are quite relatively slow compared to it, other areas of, of activity. But it, it's also an important thing to mention because While I was having my radiotherapy in Oxford, I had a part-time visiting fellowship at Oxford University, where I actually wrote the HEPI pamphlet that you've mentioned, which I'm sure we'll come on to later. And I think the fact I was a cancer patient with that identity meant I got a number of things into focus about what was important in life and what was important for my grandchildren and my own legacy in some senses, if that's not too sort of grander term to use. So, when we get to talk about that pamphlet, I think that, that perspective was an important one of, you know, what is really important in our lives, for the brief period that we're on this planet, really.
Three big change programmes at the Open University
Note (AI): A candid account of what went wrong in large change projects: unclear benefits and a failed big bang IT approach.
Tim Blackman, guest · [13:16]But the institution during my period was undertaking some really big change projects that, were quite painful because doing big change in, in a large and complex institution where people feel very passionate about what they're doing is a challenge. I mean, three big change programs during my period where I certainly learned a lot, as well as applied all the things I had learned as a leader, but I …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [13:16]But the institution during my period was undertaking some really big change projects that, were quite painful because doing big change in, in a large and complex institution where people feel very passionate about what they're doing is a challenge. I mean, three big change programs during my period where I certainly learned a lot, as well as applied all the things I had learned as a leader, but I still had to learn. We transferred about 5,000 tutors who were employed sessionally and part-time onto professional terms and conditions. It sounds so small saying that. We, we just put 5,000 sort of essentially casually employed tutors onto, essentially permanent professional contracts, but it was a massive change project, both organizationally, technically, and culturally. And it didn't go smoothly. I mean, one aspect was I don't think, well, I know we weren't clear enough about the benefits we were seeking to achieve. Some stakeholders saw it as, you know, just about improving terms and conditions. Others saw it as about improving the student experience, and yet particularly the student experience angle was kind of taken for granted. Oh, if we put everybody on these terms and conditions, of course the student will benefit. No, we had to model that. We, and, and we had to do a degree of retrofitting regarding that. We also set out to replace all our core IT systems during my, watch, which for a, essentially a big digital organization was a nightmare. And we learned, I mean, we, we started off with a, because of the complexity, with a, with an adopt, not adapt mantra, we thought, we're not going to get into all this customization and so on. People will have to learn how to operate these sort of, you know, largely off-the-shelf systems. Well, unfortunately, that didn't work. So much customization was needed because of the unique features of how the OU does its business. Again, the benefits, with hindsight, were not clearly enough articulated at the beginning, and this sort of paraphrasing, but this sort of big bang approach had to be replaced by a more modular approach.
Higher education's mission: a sustainable economy
Note (AI): Tim's core argument that curricula should be judged by their contribution to an environmentally and financially sustainable economy.
Tim Blackman, guest · [23:10]So I argue in the pamphlet that this is the most important mission for higher education is its contribution to the sustainable economy. Not just in terms of liberal values of, yes, we're going to raise the environmental awareness of our students. Yes, you know, we've got, a commitment to, decarbonize the, the university estate by X date. But to look at the curriculum and say, well, you know, what's …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [23:10]So I argue in the pamphlet that this is the most important mission for higher education is its contribution to the sustainable economy. Not just in terms of liberal values of, yes, we're going to raise the environmental awareness of our students. Yes, you know, we've got, a commitment to, decarbonize the, the university estate by X date. But to look at the curriculum and say, well, you know, what's the carbon footprint of our graduates? You know, are they really going to make a difference with the skills and knowledge they've got? Have they got the skills for the new technologies we need? Have they got the skills for the behavioral change and the policy innovation that we need? You know, are they going into society as disruptors, not just because they're saying the right things, but because they've got a tool set that means they can help to build and maintain the technologies for clean energy to, to, to achieve the change in behavior and attitudes that we need and, and so on. I see that as the guiding star for the sector, you know, how does whatever we're doing contribute to a sustainable economy? And not one sustainable economy, you know, in sort of centuries in the future, but, but for our children and grandchildren who are with us now. And yet we're giving them a huge problem to sort out, which is depletion of, of key assets, natural capital, infrastructure. We're just not keeping these things maintained. And of course, financial debt. We're leaving them with the financial debt of our own consumption in this generation.
Too many graduates with the wrong qualification
Note (AI): Lays out the case for replacing the front-loaded honours degree with shorter courses taken across a working life.
Tim Blackman, guest · [24:46]And second, second of the three key points is to, to do this, I, I mean, I, yeah, the pamphlet went for a bit of a headline with the argument, yes, there are too many graduates. Yes, you know, we do overproduce graduates. But the message is, is, is, is more subtle than that. It's that we are producing too many people with the wrong kind of qualification taken at …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [24:46]And second, second of the three key points is to, to do this, I, I mean, I, yeah, the pamphlet went for a bit of a headline with the argument, yes, there are too many graduates. Yes, you know, we do overproduce graduates. But the message is, is, is, is more subtle than that. It's that we are producing too many people with the wrong kind of qualification taken at the wrong point in their lives. So the sector is dominated by students coming out of school, college, going and doing three, four years, often at a residential university, and that's their only engagement with higher education for the rest of their lives. Absolutely crazy, given how quickly our economy changes, technological innovation, societal developments around disinformation, et cetera. We need to consume less of higher education as we consume it at the moment, but we need to consume more of higher education that is about shorter courses. That is about taking those courses over a working lifetime and beyond. I don't think we can afford to do both. We can't afford to continue to maintain this system of the full-time honours degree taken straight after school and create lots of further opportunities. We need to re-engineer that first experience with a shorter course, and then the students can either top that up as they progress through their working careers and their lifetimes, or reskill and change direction out of their own choice or because of changes in the economy. So, so it's essentially a lifelong learning argument is the second point, but...
Why academic knowledge needs a code
Note (AI): Tim's argument that universities must earn trust against disinformation by defining principles for academic knowledge.
Tim Blackman, guest · [30:27]But thirdly, I really think universities need to step up more visibly to, to the whole disinformation, misinformation agenda. But that, that means being able to demonstrate what is special about academic knowledge. And, you know, controversially in the pamphlet, I argue that we can't really do that at the moment. There is no code for academic knowledge. There's nothing that says this is knowledge that needs special attention, that, …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [30:27]But thirdly, I really think universities need to step up more visibly to, to the whole disinformation, misinformation agenda. But that, that means being able to demonstrate what is special about academic knowledge. And, you know, controversially in the pamphlet, I argue that we can't really do that at the moment. There is no code for academic knowledge. There's nothing that says this is knowledge that needs special attention, that, that you can particularly rely on because it's been produced Through a, a code that is committed to respect for evidence, openness to criticism, clarity, precision. Professions have this, you know, you have a code of conduct if you're going to be a, a doctor, a, a, a qualified engineer, an architect, but there's nothing that says this is what an academic is in terms of this is why what I am saying is, is important compared to all this other stuff you, you hear in social media, because, it has a special status. We can't argue our knowledge anymore has a special status just because we're academics. So what? You know, no, it's, it, what, what principles are we committed to that gives what we say in our knowledge a special status in this age of, of, you know, some call it epistemological fragmentation, you know, we're all in these different knowledge bubbles. Well, at the moment, frankly, academia is just one of these knowledge bubbles, but no, no. Academic knowledge should have a special status, but then we need to demonstrate why that's the case.
Three lessons for leading complex organisations
Note (AI): Practical advice from a former vice chancellor on resilience, focus and team working in political institutions.
Tim Blackman, guest · [45:11]And yeah, I think three things, I mean, if you're, if you're going in this direction, you have to be, you have to be pretty thick-skinned, you know? it's, it's not easy. you're gonna have, you know, a small minority of people who disagree with you quite, quite aggressively, annoy you, treat you unfairly. You know, these are always, most colleagues I've always found brilliant, but you're, you, you're always …
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Tim Blackman, guest · [45:11]And yeah, I think three things, I mean, if you're, if you're going in this direction, you have to be, you have to be pretty thick-skinned, you know? it's, it's not easy. you're gonna have, you know, a small minority of people who disagree with you quite, quite aggressively, annoy you, treat you unfairly. You know, these are always, most colleagues I've always found brilliant, but you're, you, you're always getting that kind of angle of, especially if you're making difficult change, that sort of, friction, and you need to stay cool. Listen, be reasonable, not let things get under your skin, which I've sometimes done, and I've had to learn to have methods to deal with that, to, to, you know, give me a bit of me time every couple of weeks to just have a thick space and, to make sure I've always, you know, got time for family, friends, nature, you know, which, which, which I often sacrifice too much, but you have to have this, this balance and that, this ability to just go into a different space away from the heat of the, what's going on in terms of the latest sort of crisis or whatever. Thick skin, but, but also if you're not that thick skinned, you know, having methods to, to deal with it. Staying focused, I say the second thing, it's easy to be distracted. It's easy to go off on a tangent on something, you know, stay focused. What is it you're really trying to achieve? And, and finally, I mean, you know, it's a bit, Bit crass, really, because it's in all the textbooks, but work with your team, you know, delegate. but as I said at the beginning, still be prepared to sit back, see the whole system, how's the team doing it as a, as a whole interrelated system, and get down into the detail if you need to. So I think that, that, you know, being ready to have a bit of a thick skin, going into this line of, of, of work, staying focused and working with your team seem to me to be very important lessons, to keep, to keep sort of sane, as well as to keep doing your job as well as you can.
Quotes
“So the university doesn't choose the student, the student chooses the university.”
“The Open Mission is just written through everybody like words in a stick of rock,”
“well, you know, what's the carbon footprint of our graduates?”
“we are producing too many people with the wrong kind of qualification taken at the wrong point in their lives.”
“Well, at the moment, frankly, academia is just one of these knowledge bubbles,”
“You know, that nature is free, but it isn't free.”
“We borrow to consume rather than just borrow to invest. We should not be borrowing to consume.”
“We're passing on depleted assets to the next generation. And, you know, that's just fundamentally wrong.”
“You're never too late to learn, and you always need a project.”
“nothing is written, nothing is written. We write it ourselves.”
“you have to be a, a mayor as well as a chief executive, you know? You're managing a polity as well as a, as a business.”
“you've got to get outside the sort of tyranny of the moment,”
“I've also decided to give myself a new challenge, which is to, to set up a A small business, which will essentially be about providing people with the, the means to, to rewild their own private spaces, gardens, balconies, et cetera. It's, it's not, in a sense, it's not a big deal. It's, you know, I'm kind of thinking, can I get some bottom-up change by people?”
“And many universities, unfortunately, in the UK at the moment are borrowing For their everyday operations, because the, as you said, the, the financial model just doesn't, doesn't work.”
“And I, one of the things I'm really proud of that our staff achieved at the OU was in 2023, we got this gold award in the National Teaching Excellence Framework, which is a, a system in the UK that, that where universities are graded according to the quality of their teaching and student experience. And we came out in 2023 with a gold award, and I think that was a tremendous achievement given, you know, the context we were working in.”
“You have to do two apparently sort of contradictory, paradoxical things. You need to keep a whole system view of what's going on, because you are the person at the top of the institution, you can see how things interrelate … But the other thing, and this is why I say it's paradoxical, is you've got to be prepared to go into the detail when you need to. You can't say, well, you know, I'm now promoted beyond getting involved in the detail.”
“But we saw a huge growth in student numbers because a lot of students who were thinking about studying online brought that decision forward because they found themselves with more time working at home or being furloughed. But then, then those numbers fell back. So we had to staff up for it, and then we had to staff down for it.”
What was said, by topic
career
“I finished my full-time career, as you've said in your introduction, as vice chancellor at the Open University, which is a great honor and privilege.”
“I moved to the OU from Middlesex University, where I was vice chancellor of that, North London-based, very sort of community-orientated university, a huge amount of diversity.”
“before I went to Middlesex, I was previously at the OU as a pro vice chancellor, one of the deputy vice chancellors. I'd worked in a number of different universities in the sector, some research-intensive, some more teaching, community-orientated.”
“increasingly came to realize that actually being inside the state, being part of the public sector, and having management responsibility was where you could really get things done.”
“I went through various head of department, dean, deputy, vice chancellor roles, and then ended up vice chancellor.”
cancer and legacy
“November twenty-four, I, I was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer, and, I stepped down because I needed to focus on my treatment. I'm in remission now.”
“While I was having my radiotherapy in Oxford, I had a part-time visiting fellowship at Oxford University, where I actually wrote the HEPI pamphlet that you've mentioned, which I'm sure we'll come on to later.”
“And I think the fact I was a cancer patient with that identity meant I got a number of things into focus about what was important in life and what was important for my grandchildren and my own legacy in some senses,”
“my seven-year-old grandson is mad about going out and hunting for bugs, you know, but we go out looking for Stag beetles in Rottingwood. We don't find any.”
“which is to, to set up a A small business, which will essentially be about providing people with the, the means to, to rewild their own private spaces, gardens, balconies, et cetera.”
university leadership
“I probably would have liked to see a decade through, I think, ten years is a good, good period for a VC because the cycles are, are quite relatively slow compared to it, other areas of, of activity.”
“universities, like it or not, do have to be run as businesses, preferably as social enterprises, but, because that public service ethos is fundamental.”
“being a vice chancellor or a, or a university president is, is a bit, you know, you have to be a, a mayor as well as a chief executive, you know? You're managing a polity as well as a, as a business.”
“give me a bit of me time every couple of weeks to just have a thick space and, to make sure I've always, you know, got time for family, friends, nature,”
“Staying focused, I say the second thing, it's easy to be distracted. It's easy to go off on a tangent on something, you know, stay focused. What is it you're really trying to achieve?”
“and you've got to get outside the sort of tyranny of the moment, as somebody put it to me once, this tyranny of the moment. You've, you've got to keep a perspective.”
Open University model
“Harold Wilson, who was the prime minister in the sixties at the time the OU was created, counted it as among his two greatest achievements, the other one being to keep, Britain out of the Vietnam War.”
“A little bit about it, it was the UK's largest university by student numbers. It's got around about two hundred thousand students across the UK.”
“the OU uniquely of all the universities is based in each jurisdiction, is, is regulated by them, has a, a national identity in each of the four nations of the UK.”
“So the university doesn't choose the student, the student chooses the university. We regard all applicants as grown-ups. They, they've got, they've got the power to choose. It's not, it's not for us to decide who should be educated.”
“on the university's OpenLearn website, there's a huge number of free courses, and besides that being a societal mission to provide those courses free, they are an opportunity to try before you buy.”
“no other university I've worked in puts in the research, the resources to creating a course that the OU does, and it's, it's always a team exercise, and not just academic teams, but editors, focus group facilitators, graphic designers, they're all involved,”
“and it has a unique relationship with the BBC. It, it co-produces, about thirty television and radio programs a year with the BBC,”
“we got this gold award in the National Teaching Excellence Framework, which is a, a system in the UK that, that where universities are graded according to the quality of their teaching and student experience.”
leading institutional change
“Your approach to leadership has got to be shaped by the context you're in. So that what type of institution are you, are you in? How do you align with what it's about?”
“We transferred about 5,000 tutors who were employed sessionally and part-time onto professional terms and conditions. It sounds so small saying that.”
“one aspect was I don't think, well, I know we weren't clear enough about the benefits we were seeking to achieve. Some stakeholders saw it as, you know, just about improving terms and conditions.”
“we started off with a, because of the complexity, with a, with an adopt, not adapt mantra, we thought, we're not going to get into all this customization and so on.”
“Again, the benefits, with hindsight, were not clearly enough articulated at the beginning, and this sort of paraphrasing, but this sort of big bang approach had to be replaced by a more modular approach.”
“the university had a huge growth in student numbers during the COVID pandemic, which of course was another change I had to take the university through shortly after I was appointed in 2019.”
“But I'm very pleased that last year the university returned to surplus after a couple of years of deficit, managing that situation, planned deficits.”
“You need to keep a whole system view of what's going on, because you are the person at the top of the institution, you can see how things interrelate.”
“you've got to be prepared to go into the detail when you need to. You can't say, well, you know, I'm now promoted beyond getting involved in the detail.”
“we spent a lot of time collating all the evidence. We, we, we put together an evidence base of why this change was necessary, and we spent a lot of time taking that out to the university community saying, look, you know, here's the evidence.”
“You know, so, so we got to a stage where everybody accepted the case for change, including the union, because the evidence had been opened up and there'd been the opportunity to challenge it.”
sustainable economy
“Well, the most important thing in all our lives is that we have a sustainable economy, you know, that our means of livelihood is secure, as secure as it can be.”
“So I argue in the pamphlet that this is the most important mission for higher education is its contribution to the sustainable economy.”
“But to look at the curriculum and say, well, you know, what's the carbon footprint of our graduates? You know, are they really going to make a difference with the skills and knowledge they've got?”
“We borrow to consume rather than just borrow to invest. We should not be borrowing to consume. And many universities, unfortunately, in the UK at the moment are borrowing For their everyday operations,”
“You know, part of it is because we haven't been honest about the cost of change. I think, for example, governments, including the UK government, can underestimate the cost of the carbon transition.”
university model reform
“It's that we are producing too many people with the wrong kind of qualification taken at the wrong point in their lives.”
“And another controversial argument I'm making in my pamphlet is we need directive government. Universities will not do this themselves.”
“because the, the systems at play here, you know, systems love to direct things back to status quo, and that's what we're seeing here in, in, in real life and institutions,”
“You know, do you really need three, four years of full-time study to get your initial qualification, whether that's as a historian or, you know, as a psychotherapist or, you know, whether you're in a professional field or, or an academic field?”
“There have been some universities who have in the UK moved to sort of 50 year stretches, which I think is a great thing.”
lifelong learning
“We need to consume less of higher education as we consume it at the moment, but we need to consume more of higher education that is about shorter courses. That is about taking those courses over a working lifetime and beyond.”
“We need to re-engineer that first experience with a shorter course, and then the students can either top that up as they progress through their working careers and their lifetimes, or reskill and change direction out of their own choice or because of changes in the economy.”
“I mean, it, there's been Policy papers on this promising a change of direction since the 1970s in the UK, but it's never happened.”
academic knowledge and disinformation
“There is no code for academic knowledge. There's nothing that says this is knowledge that needs special attention, that, that you can particularly rely on because it's been produced Through a, a code that is committed to respect for evidence, openness to criticism, clarity, precision.”
“Well, at the moment, frankly, academia is just one of these knowledge bubbles, but no, no. Academic knowledge should have a special status, but then we need to demonstrate why that's the case.”
Episode notes (as published)
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Rethinking higher education — and finding your purpose. What if the real problem with higher education isn’t funding, technology, or rankings, but the model itself? In this episode, Daniel Atlin speaks with Tim Blackman, former Vice-Chancellor and President of the Open University, about whether the dominant university model is simply out of sync with modern life. While most universities still organise learning around a single intensive period in early adulthood, Tim argues that the future lies in lifelong learning, shorter credentials, and education woven throughout people’s working lives. Drawing on his experience leading one of the largest and most distinctive universities in the UK, he reflects on the challenge of changing institutions that are structurally designed to protect the status quo. But this conversation is also deeply personal. While in his role leading the Open University, Tim was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer. The experience forced a profound pause, prompting him to reflect on legacy, responsibility, and a simple but powerful question: What kind of world do I want to leave my grandchildren? That moment sharpened his focus on the larger purpose of higher education. In his recent paper for the Higher Education Policy Institute, Tim argues that universities should orient themselves around a guiding mission: helping to build a sustainable economy: environmentally, socially, and financially. The discussion ranges from institutional leadership and lifelong learning to the challenge of misinformation in an increasingly fragmented knowledge landscape. Above all, it’s a conversation about purpose and the reminder that it is never too late to rethink your work, your impact, and the difference you want to make. In a messy world, Tim reminds us that leadership isn’t just about managing institutions - it’s about deciding what really matters with the time we have. Connect with Tim on LinkedIn · The HEPI paper · Website · Connect with Daniel on LinkedIn
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